| On 19/08/2011 05:07, Alessandro Delgado wrote:
 Sorry, but the rules for English pronunciation that I
      learned are that a
 
        
          vowel makes a long sound when followed, either immediately or
          one letterlater, by another vowel. Otherwise it's a short sound. Like in
 "otherwise".  Ostritch, oscillate, and others follow the same
          pattern.
 
 Sorry, but the rules for English pronunciation that I learned
          are such that "ghoti" is pronunced /fɪʃ/ ;-)
 
 Surely those are not so much rules of English pronunciation as the
    eccentric regular irregularities of English spelling (which explain
    why there are hardly any reliable rules of pronunciation). To my ear
    'ophal' definitely sounds like 'offal'. With some accents, it could
    even sound a bit like 'awful'.
 
 
 
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