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- Subject: Re: Panda Bears will die, Sloths will live on
- From: "Patrick Mc(avery" <patrick@...>
- Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:08:17 -0400
You seem to be taking your personal experiences with Lua and applying
them as a broad generalization of 'non-programmers'. Finding out how
people learn and the easiest way for a demographic to do something is
a very difficult problem, even for an accomplished social scientist.
I'm not sure that anyone's limited anecdotes are a sufficient reason
for the Lua programming language to change.
90% of the time when someone makes a suggestion like this, one of the
first 10 posts includes a snippet of code that does exactly what the
person wants. 87% of the time (statistics are made up) the person
doesn't want another snippet of code to do that, doesn't want
preprocessing, doesn't want a macro filter, they just want it to be in
the Lua programming language.
Yes, Lua start off as a data description language. Lua continues to be
one of the simplest and more concise languages that I know of that is
still powerful and descriptive. Not adopting your suggestion doesn't
And yes, I agree, everyone seems to need to calm down.
I am glad you responded to my post. In the discussions about the last
workshop you had mentioned that your health was not good. I hope this
has changed. I also think that you are the perfect person to comment on
the direction Lua is headed in. It's my understanding that you are
involved with World of War Craft and as a result, involved with coders
and end users. In the two years I have been on this list I have not seen
a single world of war craft user post a question but I imagine there are
thousands of them, likely posting questions in game forums and such. The
one to two thousand list members here are likely the people writing the
static code for these games and other programs and add Lua in to give
their user's hooks.
I think that the Lua team is only hearing from one side of the equation
do you think this is possible?
For the record I am not angry. While I am irritated with one frequent
posters demeaning emails to everyone, on the whole I am just a bit sad
and worried. These endless discussions about module have touched on a
nerve for me. I see module as a final deployment tool. I don't think
it's a suitable mechanism for dividing code for a single programmers
convenience. I would also say that I will not leave the list pouting if
my suggestion is not taken up on, there are many factors I am surely
Having said this, I would like to offer another analogy. Month after
month, with no end in sight there are discussions about module. Now
imagine if you will, that Lua is a beautiful car and month after month
everyone is discussing changing the rims, the tinting and the radio. I
don't know if a Kenwood radio is better then a Samsung but after months
of silence, I just can't stop myself from asking while I can't roll up
It should be easier for a single developer to split code between files.