Re: This Wiki Implementation

[Philippe Lhoste <PhiLho@...>]

On 20/02/2008 00:27, Petite Abeille wrote:
> >  Anyway, the reasons I would
> > consider that wiki are:  1) it painstakingly emulates the current Lua
> > wiki markup;
>
> Is such wiki markup documented anywhere? Is there any existing Lua 
> library to handle it?

Personally, I wouldn't mind to change markup, I know Markdown, and 
nearly each wiki has its own rules anyway.

To answer your first question, see http://lua-users.org/wiki/WikiHelp

> >  2) it preserves idioms of the current wiki (e.g.
> > clicking on title yields referring pages);
>
> Then Nanoki is not for you if this is such a show stopper :))
>
> Clicking on the page title leads to the editor, the most likely action 
> you want to perform on a wiki page.

As a user, I don't find it very intuitive, I just expect a good old Edit 
link... "Hiding" functionalities isn't a hot idea, IMHO.

> >  3) its interface and
> > usability are very simple (e.g. simple preferences page, registration
> > not required for editing);
>
> Hmmm... why a preference page?

Just check it... http://lua-users.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?action=editprefs

You can make less anonymous edits, choose a time zone to display the 
dates (would be nice to be able to choose date format too), size of edit 
area and some styling choices, and options for viewing history.

> >  and 4) it is strict about web standards.
>
> Any wiki engine can be strict about web standards... but... a wiki is 
> mostly defined by the free form content that people put there... there 
> is not much a wiki engine can do to prevent invalid HTML in a free form 
> text without undesirable obstructionism...

Mmm? I believe HTML should be deactivated (escaped) in a wiki, or at 
least strictly controlled. I don't want to find a YouTube video on a 
wiki page (unless allowed by the wiki owner) or iframes or such.
So if all pages are fully generated, they could/should adhere to Web 
standards.

If I use http://validator.w3.org/ on my 
http://lua-users.org/wiki/PhilippeLhoste user page, I see three minor 
issues, the lack of alt attribute on the images I have put.
If I do the same on http://nanoki.luaquiz.com:1080/philippe-lhoste I 
find one error.
It is because I typed <http://www.lua.org/notes/ltn007.html>
Lua-users auto-link the URL but thinks > is part of the URL. But the 
generated HTML is correct, syntax wise.
Nanoki keeps the < without transforming it to &lt;

That illustrates the problem of not escaping HTML. Invalid HTML typed by 
user breaks page.
I tried and embedded a Flash object in my page on Nanoki. As said above, 
I am not sure it is such a good idea...

Of course, other pages validated OK (I see you insert empty alt tags).

> But they could learn from lua-users.org wiki's experience. What specific
> anti-spam technics does lua-users.org use presently?

I see in the edit page:

ATTENTION if your purpose is SEO / search engine optimization / pageranking:

    * any sites you link to will be added to a blacklist used by a 
network of wiki's
    * inappropriate links will be promptly removed
    * this wiki's page history and diffs are not crawled by search engines

> Also... is the full source code of the current lua-users.org wiki 
> implementation available anywhere?

http://lua-users.org/wiki/ThisWikiImplementation


First impression (home page) on the wiki: looks clean. But I am not fan 
of light gray links, I would use this color for visited links instead. 
Now, that's a question of taste, and perhaps because I use this color 
for comments in my code... Just a minor quibble.

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