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On Feb 9, 2008 6:06 AM, Stefan Sandberg <> wrote:
> Woah, that's the most depressing statement I've heard in a long time, I
> almost feel sorry for you!
> I couldn't care less about what people trade currency for in their day
> to day job, what impresses the shit out of me is all the stuff people
> come up with for no apparent reason
> other than their own personal gratification, or simply for the art in it..
> You basically reduced all the wonderful things people do for "fun" into
> a pile of crap..

They don't last. They don't change the software industry.  The
software industry is basically junk.  It takes important strategic
principles to do anything about it.  Lua has a good idea in this
regard, that a small off-the-shelf language can be easily embedded
rather than your homebrew.  But hobbyists who merely play with Lua are
not producing a similarly good idea.  Where "good" == "strategically
important" == "will change the software industry" == "will make
programmers' lives less miserable in a paying industrial context."

To put it another way, hobbyists deal with the depressing truth of the
software industry by completely ignoring it.  They do not face it or
contribute to overcoming it.

> You probably have the makings of an excellent boss, but please refrain
> from commenting on what us "hobbyists" think is important.

No problem, as I do not think what hobbyists think is important.
Hobbyists, in my experience, do not have the stamina to make a
difference.  I wish they'd find it somewhere.  Turn them into
ideological warriors who are going to make software better.

Brandon Van Every