Re: Let's make a new place.

[Hans Hagen <pragma@...>]

On 21-11-2011 17:28, Stefan Reich wrote:
> Hello all Luaistas.
>
> I think we should have a new Lua-related talking place (slightly
> generalizing the term 'mailing list' here) with these fundamental
> properties:
>
> - a positive spirit
> - real collaboration
> - real positive group-building
> - people encouraging each other
> - absolutely free expression of personal emotion, no matter what kind of
> emotion it is.
>
> That new place will enable us to overcome the state of semi-paralysis and
> severe (it really is severe) lack of collaboration that continues to plague
> lua-l.

I'm not sure if you get the wider picture of Lua and its development. 
For instance it's part of proper academic research instead of 
fashionable commerce and hypes, which is one of the reasons why for 
instance the luatex project has chosen Lua. Stability and well thought 
slow (but still) progress have some advantages too. Actually, I can even 
imagine that at some point something is simply finished and okay.

Also, the Lua authors are nice and patient people, which helps creating 
a nice community. I really wonder of you can beat that. Well, actually I 
don't: you can't.

I have nothing against progress or spin-offs but if it comes with 
arrogant arguments like yours I don't trust it too much. You can easily 
take Lua and make a spin-off without these arguments, so you probably 
already lost a potential curious audience before you even started. Also, 
such arguments always make me wonder how its author would react on 
similar ones if he/she's a couple of years down the road.

Anyway, a separate list is a good idea ... as it will free me from 
reading mails like your recent ones.

Hans


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