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- Subject: Re: A very basic thing I don't get
- From: joao lobato <btnfdp.lobato@...>
- Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:45:17 +0100
On 10/5/11, Mark Hamburg <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> On Oct 2, 2011, at 12:55 AM, Lorenzo Donati wrote:
>> Very, true.
>> This is IMO a big newbie gotcha: Lua tables are so "high-level", i.e. they
>> can be easily used to implement lists, trees, maps, stacks, etc., that one
>> can easily think they should provide a much fatter interface (the common
>> problem of getting into Lua's spirit).
>> It's not easy to grasp initially that one can use OOP techniques to turn a
>> generic table into, say, a "stack object", with usual push/pop methods.
> Which leads to the argument that the "problem" is that Lua tables are too
> powerful. So often they are powerful enough that they just solve the
> problem. Much of the rest of the time, they seem powerful enough until you
> realize that they aren't quite. And then you come and complain to the list
> about tables being broken and about how Lua has to change. Maybe the change
> is that tables should be less powerful and people should be forced to roll
> their own data structures.
> Not that I buy that argument.
> Still, it does point to perhaps a getting started FAQ that would disabuse
> people of notions that will get them in trouble -- "You can do a lot with
> tables, but understand their limits and build data structures as you
> approach those limits."; "Metamethods are fallbacks not overrides and though
> they may seem like methods in an OOP language, they don't always behave that
> way."; etc. Then the real trick is to write this all without it turning into
Indeed. Tables are a corner stone of what Lua is and one of the
reasons why I like Lua.
My only problem with the "roll your own data structures" is how can
one do it without more basic blocks?
Imagine you want to build a tree datastructure where you can store an
arbitrary Lua value per node. How does one accomplish such a goal
without instanciating a bunch of tables in the process?
My question is not if it's possible, it's how can one do it efficiently.
Wouldn't a simple, fixed size, integer indexable (1 based, of course
;-) ), array type be better suited for the role of building block? I'm
talking about a new full-blown type here, with a metatable per
instance, just like a fixed size array part of a table without the