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- Subject: Re: Degenerative discussions (maybe he's right?)
- From: Stephen Kellett <lua@...>
- Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:04:10 +0000
Tim Kelly wrote:
Stephen continues to distort what I am saying. His "assumptions" about me are
I didn't make any assumptions about you. I made them about the ideas and
concepts being discussed. You have a comprehension problem. They are two
completely different things.
But, even assuming your statement is true why do you continue to fail to
correct my assumptions. That would be the logical thing to do.
I've spent the day with 3 kids, age 4, 7, 8. Wonderful. No hidden
agendas, no ego too large to receive constructive criticism, large
fluffly crocodiles, Thomas the Tank Engine, Lightning McQueen racing
cars, etc. Very noisy. Tiring. Great fun.
I resolved earlier today that if you responded with corrections to any
assumptions (so that we could continue the discussion) or that if you
responded with answers as to why several multi-million dollar plays in 3
global multi-billion dollar markets are not evidence of Lua's maturity
then I would also engage with you. That would be a constructive discussion.
I also resolved that if you failed to do the above, or if you attempted
to further distort my position or impune my motives I would abandon this
You Sir, have demonstrated that you cannot recognise someone genuinely
interested in understanding your problem and why you cannot understand
the value proposition present. If we got to the bottom of that we could
possibly inform you enough to make a valid decision, even if that
decision meant you did not choose Lua. You have failed on more counts
than I have ever encountered before in a newsgroup/list discussion to do
You (and everyone else) will be greatly served by reading the following
book on mass market marketing of software. Although that is not what you
are engaged in, the book contains excellent insight (far better and more
lucidly explained than I have seen elsewhere) into what drives the
various types of people that purchase software (that doesn't just mean
consumers, it means business types too). When you understand this, you
understand what is driving your client's perceived need for a roadmap.
From there, if you have the nous to assimilate what has been
communicated to you by, I guess, 20 or 30 people now, in this thread you
will be able to completely put their needs at ease.
Geoffrey A Moore book "Inside the Tornado".
There is a partner book to this, by the same author, "Crossing the
Chasm." This is also highly recommended and discusses the period before
"Inside the Tornado". Its very interesting reading, but I didn't get the
same "wow that really explains a lot" insight from it that Inside the
I've never met you, never read a thing about you anywhere. Your business
I have never heard of and I doubt is a competitor. I doubt very much
we will ever meet. I have no reason to dislike you or show you any
animosity. All I have done is attack the ideas your proposed that I
think are not valid. Your response has been to refuse to engage, refuse
to correct any incorrect assumptions on my part (but fume in indignation
at me supposedly misrepresenting you) and to attack me and impune my
motives. Frankly, its a poor show.
Regardless of what you write now, someone else can take up the mantle.
This newsgroup is not for personal bickering (*), but discussing the
merits and demerits of Lua related ideas and proposals, which I have
been doggedly trying to get you to do but which you have steadfastly, in
the last two posts and one email that you have made public, tried to
turn into a flame war.
Its clear other people got sick of this a while ago, as did I, but I
thought I should try harder. The visit to see the kids fixed that. Life
is too short to deal with people that don't listen and won't listen.
Thank Budda that is over.