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- Subject: Re: (not) handling new programming idioms with grace
- From: Weird Constructor <weirdconstructor@...>
- Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 22:39:42 +0200
2018-07-21 18:56 GMT+02:00 Roberto Ierusalimschy <firstname.lastname@example.org>:
> Even without any new construct, the idea of "emergency collections"
> is not intended to be the basic method of resource release. We still
> believe that programmers should call explicit 'close' methods after
> using a resource. Only in exceptional circunstances (mostly when
> exceptions occurr) the regular 'close' method would not be called.
> Even then, regular garbage collection would deal with most of these
> leftovers. I would expect that in a well-written program, "emergency
> collection" would be really rare, but we have no data on this.
If the rule is, that explicit resource freeing is better than implicit, why
implement a GC at all? It's the programmers fault for not freeing memory.
And a GC is not only implicit, but it's basically an unpredictable
non-deterministic operation in a program.
I would really like if there was some (meta-)method being called upon
stack unwind, like "return" or "error". I would not expect a "yield" to free
my file handle. Like in C++ it would allow for some more useful implicit
operations that the programmer could formulate in his programs.
It's standard in C++ to use a std::lock_guard() to make a clear point.
To tell everyone who reads the code: "don't worry, if this routine is done,
this mutex is released". Something like that is really missing from Lua and
can't be implemented from inside Lua. I would not expect a full blown
"(unwind-protect ...)" like in Lisp here, but leaving a mark on the stack
like you suggested earlier can do the trick.
An argument would be, that it would break TCO in an implicit and/or
unexpected way if it is not explicit that things are to be closed upon
auto f = io.open(...)
I see that it introduces a new implicit concept, that non regular
programmers might have their issues with. Is that what you worry