Re: Proposal: Proposals are the wrong approach [prose and long]

[Philipp Janda <siffiejoe@...>]

Am 03.05.2014 21:27 schröbte Coroutines:
>   I frequently see things buried under a shitstorm of opinions, not
> facts -- not data.  I have been accused many times of making proposals
> that aren't backed by usage data or patches, but while I've asked for
> constructive criticism unfairly I often get blind dislike of added
> syntax sugar, or dislike of ideas that can be attributed to other
> languages.

That's the problem with syntax sugar proposals: The advantages are 
purely cosmetic and subjective, and a matter of opinion. If your only 
pro argument is "I like", you will get con arguments "I dislike" (and as 
Hisham already said, both arguments are not worth much unless you happen 
to live in Brazil). Sometimes you will also get objective con arguments 
like conflicts with existing syntax, difficulty of implementation, 
backwards compatibility, performance concerns, etc., in which case "I 
like" is worth even less. It is a lot easier to get a constructive 
discussion going if your proposal has non-cosmetic positive effects.


Philipp