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On Feb 29, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Jay Carlson wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Fabien <> wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:41 AM, Jay Carlson <> wrote:
>>> I don't think anybody's been talking about a functional programming style.
>> Fair enough. However, I believe that if you introduce terse and tempting
>> lambdas in the language, then you're going to entice people into writing bad
>> functional-ish code.
> Smalltalk-80 blocks resembled closures but were not first class
> values; they were stack-allocated. (I remember bumping my shins on
> this before implementations fixed it.) Ruby syntax wants you to use
> blocks a particular way. So I guess both of those languages threw
> stumbling blocks in front of a functional style.

If you really want to do control flow, you need blocks rather than closures with the key difference being how return statements work. A block still exists in the control context of its enclosing scope. A closure is its own control context.