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Primus sucks!

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Timothy McDowell <> wrote:
You suck.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Norman Clarke <> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Jasper Cook <> wrote:

> Hello list
> As a 15 year old jazz trumpeter on the road with seasoned, grown-up jazz
> "blowers" in 1959, I remember LMAO at one blower saying about another (sax
> player) "he sucks", probably because he had a very small sound, or perhaps
> nothing to "say" through his horn.  I think those musicians probably enjoyed
> feeling its "sexual breeze", but, if they did, it didn't show on their
> worldly, but often inscrutable, laugh-lined faces.  It may well have been in
> use in jazz circles before 1959, but I didn't see it in jazz books from
> before.  It might have occurred in "Miles", I can't remember.  Miles Davis
> played in the 40s thru 90s, but the book itself was published mid 90s, if I
> remember correctly.
> After about when I heard it in 1959, the saying "he sucks" became very
> common in jazz circles.  By the 70s, it started to emerge more generally, by
> the 90s, it was about things, too: "that sucks" could just as easily by then
> have been said about a slow motor cycle.
> regards
> Jasper Cook

Thanks, as a language and etymology nerd, I find this to be one of the
most interesting OT posts I've read on any list in a long time. :-)